but the one who really taught me how to play reading, you know, like how to play a game, was Tarak Nath Sen. He was a person who had taught me something that has lasted to this day, and it's very, very, difficult, that is to say, to be absolutely literal. It was not, to be absolutely literal, it was not really much of like intellectual discussions about anything. That's the real skill. You know what I mean? So no I wasn't, I mean -- you know, one was having I suppose - I mean if you push me I can start to think, ok, Rudraprasad Sengupta perhaps one talked a little bit about. I mean, there were of course political discussions because you know people were, young people were more politicized, right. I mean, so, electoral education, going into the villages, marching in the streets, you know, yes, those kinds of things, but what one would call intellectual discussions, I had later in life. I am obliged to say that.